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. two wars in iraq and afghanistan, that if we were to draw down earlier for example in afghanistan, would deal with long-term debt issues. so let's put those things on the table. corporate loopholes, instead of just turning to the piggy bank of social security and medicare. >> what about medicaid? would you cut that? >> the challenge that we have for medicaid is that we want to make sure that we don't simply shift the burden onto the states, which really can't afford that right now. again the conversations about these entitlement programs, while i find, you know, might be important for us to engage in, we're conflating apples and oranges when it comes to lifting our debt ceiling and dealing with the major causal factors with our long-term debt. >> chris matthews plays "hardball" 5:00 and 7:00 eastern only on msnbc. the place for politics. >>> well, the hits keep on coming for rupert murdoch's embattled media empire. amid allegations that reporters at two of his other english newspapers, the "sun" and sunday "times," hacked into the bank account, legal files and medical records of f
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